Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Flaxweiler
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Flaxweiler. There is a broad consensus that there shouldn't be a stand-alone list on this subject at this time, but consensus is less clear on whether the result should be "merge" or "delete". I am closing as merge as I couldn't see a compelling reason brought forward that deletion would be preferable to merging. If any of the "delete" !voters feel that the list doesn't belong in the village article, that can be dealt with by regular editing and/or discussion on Talk:Flaxweiler. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 14:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I was hoping that I could create some stub articles for some of these, but I couldn't find any information about any of them, other than lists of mayors. Even the present incumbant has very little press coverage or mentions elsewhere. As such, I do not feel that this list will ever be more than a list of redlinks, which is not the purpose of such a list. Lists should predominently point to articles, which this one does not and probably never could. As such, I do not think that it meets the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. I note that all the other 'lists of mayors', although some of them have several redlinks, none of them have all redlinks. That itself is not a valid reason for deletion (per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), but the fact that - despite spending a couple of hours looking up all the names on the list - I was unable to find anything with which to create article is, in my opinion. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Luxembourg-related deletion discussions. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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- Postscript: If anyone can create some stub articles for the mayors which are reliably sourced, I'm happy to reconsider my recommendation to delete this list! Please see below links for sources for each of the 18 different mayors (I've included "Flaxweiler" in the search as I presume any source about the specific person will mention that as well as their name!)
Individual mayors
- Michel Metzdorf: in office 1806-1810
- Pierre Stemper: in office 1810-1812
- Jean Nielles: in office 1813-1816
- François Strasser: in office 1816-1819
- Jean Huberty: in office 1819-1825
- Jean Peters: in office 1825-1830
- Michel Pettinger: in office 1830-1839
- Jean-Pierre Huberty: in office 1854-1867
- Michel Engel: in office 1867-1876
- Antoine Boss: in office 1876-1887
- Adolphe Musquar: in office 1889-1895
- Jean Molitor: in office 1895-1928
- Michel Schritz: in office 1929-1944
- Jean Sturm: in office 1945-1945
- Edouard Steffes: in office 1946-1965
- Eugène Kauffmann: in office 1966-1970
- Roger Lenert: in office 1970-2005
- Théo Weirich: in office 2005-Present
- Even with the current incumbant, I could find very little coverage - a couple of reports of his 2011 electoral success, a couple of routine announcements about him handing out awards, etc - no significant, indepth coverage. Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. One way for this list to satisfy notability requirements is for most or all of the entries to be notable, thus making it at the least a navigational list. Another way is for the grouping as a whole to be notable, so that if the office itself has received sufficient coverage, or has played an important enough role in the history of the community, a list may be justified. I suppose one concern is that where you can't find any other information besides a name and term of office, the list becomes a sort of informational dead end, because the name can't tell you anything and can't lead to further information. But given that this is a public office (however small), I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now because I don't see any cause for urgency, and it's likely that if there is further information, it's not in english nor on the internet. It could certainly be merged to the town's article for now. postdlf (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge & redir This article is walking a fine line that I believe rests on the population of the host village/town/city. The people on the list do not have to be notable for the list itself to be notable. see here (not a jab... justa gentle poke postdlf ;). The question is; IS a list of mayors itself notable enough for its own (spun-out) article? A search for precedent "List of mayors of" finds no places with a population of 338 (as Flaxweiler says it has) has its own (spun-out) list. Merge & redir til such time as the population passes some magical number. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 18:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I also tried to find something about the mayors/office of the mayor - but there was a similar lack of sources. The only sources I found gave the same list of mayors, but with no further details about either the individuals, or the office of mayor as a whole. Here are the French/German searches I tried (although I am not a German-speaker, and my French isn't brilliant, so perhaps someone fluent may find something useable). If I had been able to find something beyond a list of the mayors, I would have used that as a source, and would not have nominated it for deletion:
- Although no one has suggested it, I should point out that this is something which I have tried to find sourcing for - albeit online only, as I am neither in Luxembourg nor fluently read the languages!
- I should also point out that a commune is an LAU-2, the equivalent to Wards of the United Kingdom, with populations of between a few hundred up to several thousand - 109 of them have less than 10,000 inhabitants, only 7 having more. Flaxweiler has a population of about 1758. I'm not sure that this makes it large enough for its mayor to be inherently notable. That is a matter for discussion here - as a side-note, the '338' is the population of the town itself, rather than the Commune, and the mayor is the communal mayor, not just the town.
- Incidentally, I'm quite happy for this to be a merge and redirect, as that meets all needs - and allows this article to be easily re-created should suitable sources ever be found. Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: For what little it's worth, I looked up each of the 485 places for which there exists a List of mayors of * (including Gotham City!) and ranked them by population. Of the 27 with four-digit populations, five are in Luxembourg, and only one (Garnich) is smaller than Flaxweiler. —Tamfang (talk) 20:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to location page, leaving a note on the talk page that it can be split out if the article gets too big. The location has <400 inhabitants and it's page has 69 words of readable prose. This has 24 words of readable prose. Both are have an complete lacking of references with in-depth coverage. Even combined together they are marginal for WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 22:25, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. This list is just a direct copy of the source provided anyway. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete if it contained many notable examples, I would vote !keep, but a list of non notable entries is hardly noteworthy. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 19:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge if you really must, but it's an entirely redlinked list. Shadowjams (talk) 23:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It does not matter if the list is entirely RedLinks, the question is; is the position of Mayor WP:Notable, and is a complete listing of the office holders WP:Notable? I used to think that RedLink Lists were not worth it. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 22:09, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the question is more - "is the position of the mayor of a commune inherently notable". I would contend that it is not (obviously, as otherwise I wouldn't have started this discussion!) PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- merge the list to the article on the village. Not really appropriate for a separate article, as none of these are likely to be notable DGG ( talk ) 01:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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